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		<title>By: Lic</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 01:11:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For me, the most important part is clean language.  Since we don&#039;t experience reality directly.  Since we interpret all sensory inputs.  Since we are governed essentially by our own unique model of reality.  Since we use metaphor to grasp things we don&#039;t understand, it&#039;s important for the therapist to avoid imposing his/her model on the client.  Enter into the client&#039;s model and re-frame.  If the client believes in entities, then I want to appear to believe in entities.  If the client is a hard-headed rationalist who believes he sees the objective truth, then I want to appear to be equally scientific.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For me, the most important part is clean language.  Since we don&#8217;t experience reality directly.  Since we interpret all sensory inputs.  Since we are governed essentially by our own unique model of reality.  Since we use metaphor to grasp things we don&#8217;t understand, it&#8217;s important for the therapist to avoid imposing his/her model on the client.  Enter into the client&#8217;s model and re-frame.  If the client believes in entities, then I want to appear to believe in entities.  If the client is a hard-headed rationalist who believes he sees the objective truth, then I want to appear to be equally scientific.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Jan 2011 18:54:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Knowing the truth&quot; is completely beside the point and, at least to me, a silly rhetorical distraction. If a so-called practitioner of any paid service professes even a rhetorical 93% (I&#039;m very curious about the math here) ignorance of their chosen field, this individual is coloring WAY outside ethical lines. Perhaps they should choose another line of work. 

I drive a 13-year-old car. Sometimes it needs service. If the person I pay for service is limited in their scope of practice to wiggling wires and randomly flicking switches while reciting the mantra, &quot;I wonder what this thing does,&quot; I have paid a fake, a fraud and/or a charlatan. Or I am at Jiffy Lube. Now, if the &quot;mechanic&quot; were to tell me that my car was possessed by a demon, I would find this disconcerting, but I might want to watch how the auto-exocism was conducted. I love kooks.

But if I or a loved one were suffering the last thing I want is an allegation of mystical &quot;expertise.&quot; It is by definition oxymoronic. &quot;Oh, I&#039;ve seen all sorts of demons, I know all about them.  I have friends that are smarter and more powerful than demons, if you know what I mean by &#039;friends&#039;. And I have technique and a NGH certificate.&quot;  Or worse, having encountered some phenomenon outside familiarity, for a practitioner to start improvising within a frame of being terrified and ego-involved is beyond incompetant. It is morally and often criminally wrong. Installing a frame that puts healing choices and power outside the client&#039;s immediate realm (however THEY frame it) is ego-tripping at the client&#039;s expense and that cost can be very very high. 

You want to play angels and demons, go ahead. But do it on your own time.  And if they keep coming up in your practice, quit practicing. You have no idea what you are doing.

Sorry to be blunt.  But in this realm, hypnosis and hypnotherapy, where we have no legitimate established standards, no requirements for demonstration of competancy or legitimate continuing education, no scorecards, no reporting, no supervision, the barriers to entry are essentially non-existent. Those who depend heavily on first-person hallucination to practice are delusional and dangerous and need to find some other realm to find their places in the world. I hear Jiffy Lube has a good benefit package.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Knowing the truth&#8221; is completely beside the point and, at least to me, a silly rhetorical distraction. If a so-called practitioner of any paid service professes even a rhetorical 93% (I&#8217;m very curious about the math here) ignorance of their chosen field, this individual is coloring WAY outside ethical lines. Perhaps they should choose another line of work. </p>
<p>I drive a 13-year-old car. Sometimes it needs service. If the person I pay for service is limited in their scope of practice to wiggling wires and randomly flicking switches while reciting the mantra, &#8220;I wonder what this thing does,&#8221; I have paid a fake, a fraud and/or a charlatan. Or I am at Jiffy Lube. Now, if the &#8220;mechanic&#8221; were to tell me that my car was possessed by a demon, I would find this disconcerting, but I might want to watch how the auto-exocism was conducted. I love kooks.</p>
<p>But if I or a loved one were suffering the last thing I want is an allegation of mystical &#8220;expertise.&#8221; It is by definition oxymoronic. &#8220;Oh, I&#8217;ve seen all sorts of demons, I know all about them.  I have friends that are smarter and more powerful than demons, if you know what I mean by &#8216;friends&#8217;. And I have technique and a NGH certificate.&#8221;  Or worse, having encountered some phenomenon outside familiarity, for a practitioner to start improvising within a frame of being terrified and ego-involved is beyond incompetant. It is morally and often criminally wrong. Installing a frame that puts healing choices and power outside the client&#8217;s immediate realm (however THEY frame it) is ego-tripping at the client&#8217;s expense and that cost can be very very high. </p>
<p>You want to play angels and demons, go ahead. But do it on your own time.  And if they keep coming up in your practice, quit practicing. You have no idea what you are doing.</p>
<p>Sorry to be blunt.  But in this realm, hypnosis and hypnotherapy, where we have no legitimate established standards, no requirements for demonstration of competancy or legitimate continuing education, no scorecards, no reporting, no supervision, the barriers to entry are essentially non-existent. Those who depend heavily on first-person hallucination to practice are delusional and dangerous and need to find some other realm to find their places in the world. I hear Jiffy Lube has a good benefit package.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Remember one thing, while sometimes dark, labeling anything evil brings more negativity than anything else. I&#039;d say beware about sticking to old ideas of these things. I&#039;ve dealt with some of these things that many believe to be fanciful but through that I&#039;ve found that man of the old traditions are biased and taken through the cracked lenses of those who&#039;ve seen them. 
No such thing as darkness, only a lack of light. You cannot fight a shadow and win but you can light a candle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Remember one thing, while sometimes dark, labeling anything evil brings more negativity than anything else. I&#8217;d say beware about sticking to old ideas of these things. I&#8217;ve dealt with some of these things that many believe to be fanciful but through that I&#8217;ve found that man of the old traditions are biased and taken through the cracked lenses of those who&#8217;ve seen them.<br />
No such thing as darkness, only a lack of light. You cannot fight a shadow and win but you can light a candle.</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
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		<dc:creator>James</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Nov 2010 17:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I understand your objections completely. I&#039;ve used parts therapy many times and found great success with it. Though my friend, there have been those times where I have found things that my rationality and past experiences had a hard time accepting. I have dealt with these things that some call attachments, as objectively and scientifically as I was taught both by the guild and other institutions of higher learning. I can tell you that while I may not believe in fairies or leprechauns, I have dealt with things that evade all parts therapy along with other conventional means. These have presented dark and sometimes vicious personalities which not only didn&#039;t not fit in with the client in any way but also as I investigated them showed me separate pasts and truth be told scared the living daylights out of me with things they would mention about me or my past etc. 
I have no need for you to understand or believe, just know that in a world where our best science is unable to locate 93 some odd percent of  our own universe, know that we are far more ignorant to the things around us than we are wise. 
After learning about the concepts of attachments I tried it and my clients made recoveries in both mind and body. This is not something which is needed for parts therapy and is ineffective for the most part unless it is needed. Yet every once in a while you will come across something which will only be dealt with by being released to the light. 
The subconscious is a grand thing, an adventure yet to be understood on the most basic levels even if some of us hypnotists believe otherwise. 
So in summary, I respectfully disagree, take it or leave it. We&#039;ll all know truth on this side or the next.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I understand your objections completely. I&#8217;ve used parts therapy many times and found great success with it. Though my friend, there have been those times where I have found things that my rationality and past experiences had a hard time accepting. I have dealt with these things that some call attachments, as objectively and scientifically as I was taught both by the guild and other institutions of higher learning. I can tell you that while I may not believe in fairies or leprechauns, I have dealt with things that evade all parts therapy along with other conventional means. These have presented dark and sometimes vicious personalities which not only didn&#8217;t not fit in with the client in any way but also as I investigated them showed me separate pasts and truth be told scared the living daylights out of me with things they would mention about me or my past etc.<br />
I have no need for you to understand or believe, just know that in a world where our best science is unable to locate 93 some odd percent of  our own universe, know that we are far more ignorant to the things around us than we are wise.<br />
After learning about the concepts of attachments I tried it and my clients made recoveries in both mind and body. This is not something which is needed for parts therapy and is ineffective for the most part unless it is needed. Yet every once in a while you will come across something which will only be dealt with by being released to the light.<br />
The subconscious is a grand thing, an adventure yet to be understood on the most basic levels even if some of us hypnotists believe otherwise.<br />
So in summary, I respectfully disagree, take it or leave it. We&#8217;ll all know truth on this side or the next.</p>
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		<title>By: GRACE</title>
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		<dc:creator>GRACE</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Jun 2010 17:16:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The unconscious mind speaks to us through many languages, and in endless forms. Ultimately, all those forms are not true, but they stay true for some people at certain phase. People overcome the false to see the Real. Because the false is so deelply buried, and because people cannot access the deeper levels of their own minds, they come to hypnotists for help.  

Maybe It is unwise for a hypnotist to tell any client that the client is possessed by a demon; On the other hand, to tell another client that he is possessed, and implant in their subconscious a more powerful symbol than the conceived demon, is the only way to help that client get free from the &quot;demon&quot;, as this clent did believe at the deepest level of his psyche that he was demon possessed. There is simply no logic at that level of the mind. 

Ultimately, the demons are not real, but equally unreal are the motivations driving the behaviors. Ultimately there is only energy, but this energy is perceived as different forms according to the levels of people&#039;s consciousness. 

I know people are healed by all kinds of suggestions, the important thing is to find one that can really take away the client&#039;s problem. 

Thank you all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The unconscious mind speaks to us through many languages, and in endless forms. Ultimately, all those forms are not true, but they stay true for some people at certain phase. People overcome the false to see the Real. Because the false is so deelply buried, and because people cannot access the deeper levels of their own minds, they come to hypnotists for help.  </p>
<p>Maybe It is unwise for a hypnotist to tell any client that the client is possessed by a demon; On the other hand, to tell another client that he is possessed, and implant in their subconscious a more powerful symbol than the conceived demon, is the only way to help that client get free from the &#8220;demon&#8221;, as this clent did believe at the deepest level of his psyche that he was demon possessed. There is simply no logic at that level of the mind. </p>
<p>Ultimately, the demons are not real, but equally unreal are the motivations driving the behaviors. Ultimately there is only energy, but this energy is perceived as different forms according to the levels of people&#8217;s consciousness. </p>
<p>I know people are healed by all kinds of suggestions, the important thing is to find one that can really take away the client&#8217;s problem. </p>
<p>Thank you all.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Regal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Regal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 14:00:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I appreciate everyones sincerity with regards to their conceptualization of what is healthy and going on for their clients.

It is indeed an honor for me to work with individuals who harbor &quot;dark forces&quot;. This specialization is the most fascinating part of my work.

Upon completing unique and particular cases that I am addressing, it is my intention to publish my findings.

Look forward to that day!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate everyones sincerity with regards to their conceptualization of what is healthy and going on for their clients.</p>
<p>It is indeed an honor for me to work with individuals who harbor &#8220;dark forces&#8221;. This specialization is the most fascinating part of my work.</p>
<p>Upon completing unique and particular cases that I am addressing, it is my intention to publish my findings.</p>
<p>Look forward to that day!</p>
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		<title>By: Randy Clere</title>
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		<dc:creator>Randy Clere</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Nov 2009 17:36:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I invite my demons in for tea, from time to time...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I invite my demons in for tea, from time to time&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Keith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Keith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Nov 2009 15:08:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doctor Regal,
I am more concerned with what is healthy for clients than I am in what is &quot;true.&quot; The theories we have about what causes problems in people&#039;s lives can be helpful to them--or harmful. It&#039;s a good idea (I believe) to examine our pet theories and whether or not they are useful in getting clients where they want to go.

Of course, when we have a more accurate idea of what&#039;s going on, we can make changes with a minimum of muss and fuss. From what I&#039;ve seen though, entity possession is not generally much in the way of an accurate idea of what&#039;s going on. 

Also, there&#039;s the fact that opposite motivations can easily occur in folks--and it&#039;s easy for one part of a person to label another evil or an entity. That makes working in the entity framework dangerous (to the client) and mostly silly (IMO).

Certainly, there are things that exist in this world that are beyond my imagination. My guess about entities though? No. To sum up my attitude about it?  &quot;I could be wrong--but I&#039;m not,&quot; to quote The Eagles.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doctor Regal,<br />
I am more concerned with what is healthy for clients than I am in what is &#8220;true.&#8221; The theories we have about what causes problems in people&#8217;s lives can be helpful to them&#8211;or harmful. It&#8217;s a good idea (I believe) to examine our pet theories and whether or not they are useful in getting clients where they want to go.</p>
<p>Of course, when we have a more accurate idea of what&#8217;s going on, we can make changes with a minimum of muss and fuss. From what I&#8217;ve seen though, entity possession is not generally much in the way of an accurate idea of what&#8217;s going on. </p>
<p>Also, there&#8217;s the fact that opposite motivations can easily occur in folks&#8211;and it&#8217;s easy for one part of a person to label another evil or an entity. That makes working in the entity framework dangerous (to the client) and mostly silly (IMO).</p>
<p>Certainly, there are things that exist in this world that are beyond my imagination. My guess about entities though? No. To sum up my attitude about it?  &#8220;I could be wrong&#8211;but I&#8217;m not,&#8221; to quote The Eagles.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob S</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob S</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 19:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m not trying to prick anyone&#039;s bubble, just observing that in my experience, most of what passes for metaphysical phenomena can just as easily, and with MUCH better outcomes be responded to as symptoms -- natural, useful phenomena within a pretty well understood and reliable (and self-healing) system. 

And just to be fair, I am equally suspicious of anything that sounds like it might match up to a diagnostic code that some &quot;provider&quot; put on a claim form somewhere. I believe it&#039;s all about paying attention to what is going on in the room, right now. Not what we have studied at great expense and time commitment. The literature is filled with examples of sincere practicioners finding, falsely, phenomena they studied for their theses. This isn&#039;t just bad hypnosis (of which there is plenty), it&#039;s just plain bad practice. It further victimizes clients/patients, rather than helping develop generative choices.

And not to gore your ox, but I am having trouble getting my head around these &quot;entities&quot; putting up with basic standards of replicability, double-bind studies or peer-review in the context of legitimate research. But I really like the phrase &quot;lucid scripting.&quot; Good album title.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m not trying to prick anyone&#8217;s bubble, just observing that in my experience, most of what passes for metaphysical phenomena can just as easily, and with MUCH better outcomes be responded to as symptoms &#8212; natural, useful phenomena within a pretty well understood and reliable (and self-healing) system. </p>
<p>And just to be fair, I am equally suspicious of anything that sounds like it might match up to a diagnostic code that some &#8220;provider&#8221; put on a claim form somewhere. I believe it&#8217;s all about paying attention to what is going on in the room, right now. Not what we have studied at great expense and time commitment. The literature is filled with examples of sincere practicioners finding, falsely, phenomena they studied for their theses. This isn&#8217;t just bad hypnosis (of which there is plenty), it&#8217;s just plain bad practice. It further victimizes clients/patients, rather than helping develop generative choices.</p>
<p>And not to gore your ox, but I am having trouble getting my head around these &#8220;entities&#8221; putting up with basic standards of replicability, double-bind studies or peer-review in the context of legitimate research. But I really like the phrase &#8220;lucid scripting.&#8221; Good album title.</p>
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		<title>By: Doctor Regal</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doctor Regal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is an interesting topic that is veiled by a shroud of mysticism which is unbelievable by many and perhaps substantially validated only to a select few. Because all scientific knowledge is obtained by observation, I suggest conducting some experiments and verifying  whether or not  this can be proven true or not. 

In my quest for understanding this deviation from the norm I have mixed reviews. The possibility for its veracity still exists with respect to my limited sampling, however key to making that determination is implementation of  lucid scripting, consistency in communication and accuracy of reporting in addition to proper training and understanding of the elements comprising the drawing of any conclusions.

Since my training includes Spiritual Hypnotism and Metaphysical Hypnotherapy in addition to Traditional Hypnotism, I suggest further exploration into this topic before shunning it completely. At first I was somewhat skeptical myself, however some of my findings are rather extraordinary. Consider then remaining open-minded to the possibilities, for the unknown realm is truly beyond our immediate comprehension.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is an interesting topic that is veiled by a shroud of mysticism which is unbelievable by many and perhaps substantially validated only to a select few. Because all scientific knowledge is obtained by observation, I suggest conducting some experiments and verifying  whether or not  this can be proven true or not. </p>
<p>In my quest for understanding this deviation from the norm I have mixed reviews. The possibility for its veracity still exists with respect to my limited sampling, however key to making that determination is implementation of  lucid scripting, consistency in communication and accuracy of reporting in addition to proper training and understanding of the elements comprising the drawing of any conclusions.</p>
<p>Since my training includes Spiritual Hypnotism and Metaphysical Hypnotherapy in addition to Traditional Hypnotism, I suggest further exploration into this topic before shunning it completely. At first I was somewhat skeptical myself, however some of my findings are rather extraordinary. Consider then remaining open-minded to the possibilities, for the unknown realm is truly beyond our immediate comprehension.</p>
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